Dr. Carol Rosin was the first woman corporate manager
of Fairchild Industries and was spokesperson for Wernher Von Braun in the last
years of his life. She founded the Institute for Security and Cooperation in
Outer Space in Washington DC and has testified before Congress on many
occasions about space based weapons. Von Braun revealed to Dr. Rosin a plan to
justify weapons in spaced based on hoaxing an extraterrestrial threat. She was
also present at meetings in the ‘70s when the scenario for the Gulf War of the
‘90s was planned.
CR: Dr. Carol Rosin SG: Dr. Steven Greer
CR: My name is Carol Rosin. I am an educator who
became the first woman corporate manager of an Aerospace Company, Fairchild
Industries. I am a Space and Missile Defense Consultant and have consulted to a
number of companies, organizations, and government departments, even the
intelligence community. I was a consultant to TRW working on the MX missile, so
I was part of that strategy, which turned out to be a role model for how to
sell space-based weapons to the public. The MX missile is yet another weapon system
that we didn’t need.
I founded the Institute for Security and Cooperation
in Outer Space, a Washington DC based think tank. I am an author and have
testified before Congress and the President’s Commission on Space.
When I was a Corporate Manager of Fairchild Industries
from 1974 through 1977, I met the late Dr. Wernher Von Braun. We first met in
early 1974. At that time, Von Braun was dying of cancer but he assured me that
he would live a few more years to tell me about the game that was being played-
that game being the effort to weaponize space, to control the Earth from space
and space itself. Von Braun had a history of working with weapons systems. He
escaped from Germany to come to this country and became a Vice President of
Fairchild Industries when I had met him. Von Braun’s purpose during the last
years of his life, his dying years, was to educate the public and
decision-makers about why space-based weapons are dumb, dangerous,
destabilizing, too costly, unnecessary, unworkable, and an undesirable idea,
and about the alternatives that are available.
As practically a deathbed speech, he educated me about
those concepts and who the players were in this game. He gave me the
responsibility, since he was dying, of continuing this effort to prevent the
weaponization of outer space. When Wernher Von Braun was dying of cancer, he
asked me to be his spokesperson, to appear on occasions when he was too ill to
speak. I did this.
What was most interesting to me was a repetitive
sentence that he said to me over and over again during the approximately four
years that I had the opportunity to work with him. He said the strategy that
was being used to educate the public and decision makers was to use scare
tactics… That was how we identify an enemy.
The strategy that Wernher Von Braun taught me was that
first the Russians are going to be considered to be the enemy. In fact, in
1974, they were the enemy, the identified enemy. We were told that they had
“killer satellites”. We were told that they were coming to get us and control
us – that they were “Commies.”
Then terrorists would be identified, and that was soon
to follow. We heard a lot about terrorism. Then we were going to identify
third-world country “crazies.” We now call them Nations of Concern. But he said
that would be the third enemy against whom we would build space-based weapons.
The next enemy was asteroids. Now, at this point he
kind of chuckled the first time he said it. Asteroids- against asteroids we are
going to build space-based weapons.
And the funniest one of all was what he called aliens,
extraterrestrials. That would be the final scare. And over and over and over
during the four years that I knew him and was giving speeches for him, he would
bring up that last card. “And remember Carol, the last card is the alien card.
We are going to have to build space-based weapons against aliens and all of it
is a lie.”
I think I was too naïve at that time to know the
seriousness of the nature of the spin that was being put on the system. And now,
the pieces are starting to fall into place. We are building a space-based
weapons system on a premise that is a lie, a spin. Wernher Von Braun was trying
to hint that to me back in the early 70’s and right up until the moment when he
died in 1977.
What he told me was that there is an accelerated
effort in place. He didn’t mention a timeline but he said that it was going to
be speeding up faster than anybody could possibly imagine. That the effort to
put weapons into space was not only based on a lie but would accelerate past
the point of people even understanding it until it was already up there and too
late.
When Von Braun was dying in front of me, the very
first day that I met him, he had tubes draining out of his side. He was tapping
on the desk telling me, “You will come to Fairchild.” I was a schoolteacher. He
said, “You will come to Fairchild and you will be responsible for keeping
weapons out of space.” The way he said it with this intenseness in his eyes,
and added that very first day, the first time I met him, that space-based
weapons were a dangerous, destabilizing, too costly, unnecessary, untestable,
unworkable idea.
The last card that was being held was the
extraterrestrial enemy card. The intensity with which he said that, made me
realize that he knew something that he was too afraid to mention. He was too
afraid to talk about it. He would not tell me the details. I am not sure that I
would have absorbed them if he had told me the details or even believed him in
1974. But there was no question that that man knew and had a need to know, I
found out later.
There is no doubt in my mind that Wernher Von Braun
knew about the extraterrestrial issue. He explained to me the reasons why
weapons were going to be put into space, the enemies against whom we were going
to build these weapons, and that all of that was a lie. He mentioned that
extraterrestrials were going to be identified as the final enemy against whom
we were going to build space-based weapons back in 1974. The way he said it to
me, there was no doubt in my mind that he knew something that he was too afraid
to talk about.
Wernher Von Braun never spoke to me about any of the
details that he knew related to extraterrestrials except that one day
extraterrestrials were going to be identified as an enemy against whom we are
going to build an enormous space-based weapons system. Wernher Von Braun
actually told me that the spin was a lie – that the premise for space-based
weaponry, the reasons that were going to be given, the enemies that we were going
to identify – were all based on a lie.
I have been tracking the space-based weapons issue for
about 26 years. I have debated Generals and Congressional Representatives. I
have testified before the Congress and the Senate. I have met with people in
over 100 countries. But I have not been able to identify who the people are who
are making this space-based weapons system happen. I see the news. I see the
administrative decisions being made. I know that they are all based on lies and
greed.
But I have yet to be able to identify who the people
are. That is after tracking this issue for 26 years. I know that there are big
secrets being kept and I know that it is time the public and decision-makers
pay attention to the people who are now going to be disclosing the truth. Then
we need to make some definite changes and build a system in space that will
benefit every single person, and all of the animals, and the environment of
this planet. The technology is there. The solutions to Earth’s urgent and
long-term potential problems are there. I have a feeling that once we start
studying this extraterrestrial issue, all of the questions are going to be
answered that I have had for 26 years.
But I have concluded that it is based on a few people
making a lot of money and gaining power. It is about ego. It is not about our
essence and who we really are on this planet and loving each other and being at
peace and cooperating. It isn’t about using technology to solve problems and
heal people in the planet. It isn’t about that. It is about a few people who
really are playing an old, dangerous, costly game for their own pocketbooks and
power struggle. That is all it is.
I believe that this entire space-based weapons game is
initiated right here in the United States of America. What I hope is that with
this information that is being disclosed, the new administration will to do
what is right. That is to transform the war game into a space game so that we
use the technologies that are available not just as spin-offs of war
technology, but as direct technological applications to build a cooperative
space system that will benefit the entire world and that will allow us to
communicate with the extraterrestrial cultures that are obviously out there.
Who would benefit from these space-based weapons? They
are the people who work in that arena, people in the military, in industries,
in universities and labs, in the intelligence community. This is not just in
the United States but it is worldwide. This is a worldwide cooperative system.
Wars are cooperative. Just as peace will be when it breaks out. But right now
there are a lot of people benefiting. This is what our economy has been based
on in this country and spreading around the world- war. People suffer as a
result. It is not fair. It never has been. People have screamed: “out of swords
let us build plow shares, let’s have peace and hold hands around the world,”
but it hasn’t worked because too many people are benefiting. Not only are they
benefiting financially, but from what my experience is there are people who
actually believe that Armageddon should happen so we have to have these wars.
So it is going from the pocketbook, to the religious
right: some people actually believe that we have to have wars for these
religious reasons. There are people who just love war. I have met warriors who
just love to go to war. Then there are the good people, the soldiers, who just
take orders. They have to feed their children and send them to college so they
want to keep their jobs. People in laboratories have told me that they don’t
want to work on these technologies for war but if they don’t they won’t get a
paycheck. Who is going to pay them? But what I see is that there are not only
dual uses for these technologies but there are many uses for the same technologies.
We can build space hospitals, schools, hotels,
laboratories, farms, industries. It may sound far out but if we don’t do that
we are going to build battle stations and weapons pointed down all of our
throats and into space. Apparently we have been doing some of that already. We
have a choice now that can be made. We can all benefit – all of the people in
the military industrial complex, in the intelligence community, in universities
and labs, in the United States and all over the world – we can all benefit. We
can just transform that industry so easily with just a decision based on our
highest consciousness, our spirituality, and on the fact that we have no choice
unless we all want to die. And we don’t. So we can all benefit financially,
spiritually, socially, psychologically; it is technologically and politically
feasible to transform this game now and everybody will benefit.
In 1977 I was at a meeting in Fairchild Industries in
a conference room called the War Room. In that room were a lot of charts on the
walls with enemies, identified enemies. There were other more obscure names,
names like Saddam Hussein and Khadafi. But we were talking then about
terrorists, the potential terrorists. No one had ever talked about this before
but this was the next stage after the Russians against whom we were going to
build these space-based weapons. I stood up in this meeting and I said, “Excuse
me, why are we talking about these potential enemies against whom we are going
to build space-based weapons if, in fact, we know that they are not the enemy
at this time?”
Well, they continued the conversation about how they
were going to antagonize these enemies and that at some point, there was going
to be a war in the Gulf, a Gulf War. Now this is 1977, 1977! And they were
talking about creating a war in the Gulf Region when there was 25 billion
dollars in the space-based weapons program that had yet to be identified. It
wasn’t called the Strategic Defense Initiative, at least. Not until 1983. This
weapons system, then, had obviously been going on for some time and I didn’t
know anything about. So I stood up in this meeting in 1977 and said, “I would
like to know why we are talking about space-based weapons against these
enemies. I would like to know more about this. Would someone please tell me
what this is about?” Nobody answered. They just went on with this meeting as
though I hadn’t said anything.
Suddenly I stood up in the room and said, “If nobody
can tell me why you are planning a war in the Gulf when there is a certain
amount of money in a budget so that you can create the next set of weapons
systems that will be the beginning of the sell to the public about why we need
space-based weapons, then consider this: my resignation. And you will not hear
from me again!” And nobody said a word, because they were planning a war in the
Gulf and it happened exactly as they planned it, on time.
SG: Who was at this meeting?
CR: The room was filled with people in the revolving
door game. There were people that I had seen once in a military uniform and
other times in a gray suit and an industry outfit. These people play a
revolving door game. They work as consultants, industry people, and/or military
and intelligence people. They work in the industries and they revolve
themselves through these doors and right into government positions.
I stood up in this meeting and asked if I was hearing
correctly. That when there was 25 billion dollars expended in the space-based
weapons budget, that there was going to be a war in the Gulf, stimulated,
created, so that they could then sell the next phase of weapons to the public
and the decision-makers. This war was going to be created so that they could
dump the old weapons and create a whole new set of weapons. So I had to resign
from that position. I could no longer work in that industry.
In about 1990 I was sitting in my living room looking
at the money that had been spent on space-based weapons research and
development programs and I realized that it had come to that number, about 25
billion dollars, and I said to my husband, “I am now going to stop everything.
I am now going to stop and sit and watch CNN television and I am going to wait
for the war to happen.” My husband said, “Well, you have finally gone over the
edge. You have flipped out.” Friends said, “You have really gone too far this
time. There is not going to be a war in the Gulf, nobody is talking about a war
in the Gulf.”
I said, “There is going to be a war in the Gulf. I am
going to sit here and wait for the war in the Gulf.” And it happened right on
schedule.
As part of the war game in the Gulf, we in the public
were told that the United States was successful in shooting down Russian Scud
Missiles. We were rationalizing new budgets based on that success. In fact, we
found out later, after the budgets were approved for the next phase of weapons,
that it was a lie. We did not have successful shoot-downs the way we were told.
It was all a lie, just to get more money put in the budget to make more
weapons.
I was one of the first people to go independently to
Russia when I heard that they had “killer satellites.”
[See the testimony of Dr. Paul Czysz. SG]
When I went to Russia in the early 70’s, I found out
that they didn’t have killer satellites, that it was a lie. In fact, the
Russian leaders and people wanted peace. They wanted to cooperate with the
United States and with the people of the world.
Another time I called Saddam Hussein when he was
lighting his oil fields on fire. My husband was in the kitchen while I was
making this phone call. I got a call back from his First Attaché with Saddam
Hussein nearby and he asked, “Are you a reporter? Are you an agent? Why do you
want to know?”
I said, “No. I am just a citizen who helped to start
the movement to prevent the weaponization of outer space and I have found that
a lot of stories that I have been told about weapons systems and the enemies
are not true. I wanted to find out what would satisfy Saddam Hussein so he
would stop making these oil fields catch fire and stop antagonizing people.” He
said, “Well, nobody has ever asked him that question, what he wants.” …
So when I hear that there is a possible threat of
extraterrestrials – and I look at the history of thousands of years of possible
ET visitations, and hear the disclosures of honest
military-intelligence-industry people who have had experiences with UFO’s, with
crashes and landings, with live and dead bodies of extraterrestrial beings – I
know it is a lie. And if I am ever told that these are enemies against whom we
have to build space-based weapons systems, based on my own personal experience
of having worked in the military industrial complex on weapons systems and
military strategy, I am going to know it is a lie. It is a
lie.
Not only will I not believe it, but I am going to go
out as loudly as I can and tell everyone to take a look. They [the ET’s] have
not taken us away yet. We are still here after thousands of years of visits. If
in fact they are still visiting us now and we have not been harmed then we have
to look at this as something that is not a hostile occurrence.
It would be my hope and my intention to do everything
I could to work with people who are working to communicate with and cooperate
with these extraterrestrial beings. They are clearly not hostile. We are here.
That is enough proof for me.
There is no limit to how people can choose to live on
this planet. We have a chance to do that and I think that the window is closing
rapidly. I don’t think that we have much time in which to make that decision.
We are too close in too many ways to having some horrible disaster happen,
having some sort of war take place, whether it is from high technology or an
exotic weapons system.
We need leadership and it has to start with the United
States President and that is who we all have to reach. If you are
international, if you are around the world, if you are in the United States of
America, whether you are from any party, any belief system or religion- the
United States Commander in Chief, the President of the United States is the
person that needs to be reached. We need to say that we want an ultimate,
comprehensive, verifiable ban on all space-based weapons
President George H. W. Bush wanted a war in Iraq. Like
Crassus, George Bush is motivated by money. Specifically oil money. But with
the OPEC alliance failing to keep limits on oil production in the Mideast, the
market was being glutted with oil pumped from underneath Iraq, which sat over
roughly 1/3 of the oil reserves of the entire region.
George wanted a war to stop that flow of oil, to keep
prices (and profits) from falling any further than they already had. But like
Roosevelt, he needed the "other side" to make the first move.
Iraq had long been trying to acquire greater access to
the Persian Gulf, and felt limited confined a narrow strip of land along
Kuwait's northern border, which placed Iraqi interests in close proximity with
hostile Iran. George Bush, who had been covertly arming Iraq during its war
with Iran, sent word via April Glaspie that the United States would not
intervene if Saddam Hussein grabbed a larger part of Kuwait. Saddam fell for
the bait and invaded.
Of course, Americans were not about to send their sons
and daughters to risk their lives for petroleum products. So George Bush
arranged a hoax, using a public relations firm which has grown rich on taxpayer
money by being most industrious and creative liars! The PR firm concocted a monumental
fraud in which the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the United States,
went on TV pretending to be a nurse, and related a horror story in which Iraqi
troops looted the incubators from a Kuwaiti hospital, leaving the premature
babies on the cold floor to die. The media, part of the swindle from the start,
never bothered asking why the "nurse" didn't just pick the babies up
and wrap them in blankets or something.
Enraged by the incubator story, Americans supported
operation Desert Storm, which never removed Saddam Hussein from power but which
did take Kuwait's oil off of the market for almost 2 years and limited Iraq's
oil exports to this very day. That our sons and daughters came home with
serious and lingering medical illnesses was apparently not too great a price to
pay for increased oil profits.
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