By Billy
Booth
It is an honor for me to be able to
conduct this interview with the world's most well known, and foremost UFO
researcher, Stanton T. Friedman. I want to thank him for taking the time to
answer some questions for our readers. If you haven't already done so, be sure
to check out his latest book, "Flying Saucers and Science."
Thank you Mr. Friedman for answering
some questions for our readers. It is a privilege to be able to pick your mind
on the study of UFOs.
Billy: Being a nuclear physicist, how
did you first become interested in the study of UFOs?
Friedman: In 1958 while working as a
young nuclear physicist for the General Electric Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion
Department in Cincinnati, Ohio, I was ordering books from a mail order place
and needed one more book so I wouldn't have to pay shipping costs. There was
"The Report on UFOs," by USAF Captain Edward Ruppelt, marked down
from $2.95 to $1.00 which would have been shipping costs.
He had been head of Project Blue Book in
the early 1950s, and the USAF was co sponsor of our ANP program. I thought he
ought to know what he was talking about. Turns out it was a very good first
book. It intrigued me, but didn't convince me. I read about 15 more books some
of which were junk. Then at the University of California, Berkeley, Library I
found Project Blue Book Special Report No. 14, a privately published volume
which hadn't been mentioned in any of the books. Biggest study ever done. Chock
full of data establishing some UFOs were alien spacecraft. I talk of it in
detail in my "Flying Saucers and Science"
Billy: In your book, you list three
categories relating to UFO reports, those that are eventually identified as
"known" objects, those that do not have insufficient date to make a
determination, and those that can be classified as legitimate unknown flying
objects. Project Blue Book and other governmental UFO research groups determined
the legitimacy of a report by the social class of the reporter, according to J.
Allen Hynek. Do you also subscribe to this theory?
Friedman: No, I don't. I knew Allen and
never heard him express this view either. They were bound and determined to show
there was nothing to UFOs and lied a great deal about their evidence. On my web
site www.stantonfriedman.com there is a paper "Government UFO Lies"
Billy: Do you believe that Blue Book,
and other study groups originally set out to misinform the American public, or
did they decide this after seeing that there was sufficient evidence to show
that UFOs could have an extraterrestrial source?
Friedman: There has clearly been an
official policy to minimize the evidence and even to lie about it. There has
been a Cosmic Watergate involving many agencies such as the CIA, NSA, NRO, etc
as discussed in my book.
Billy: It is obvious to me, and many
others who study UFOs, that the American government is covering up UFO related
information. Obviously, the fewer people who guard these secrets the better. Do
you feel that there is a small group of scientists and researchers who are
privy to this information, and they answer to no one, not even the President?
Friedman: I think that a highly
classified group like Operation Majestic 12 indeed is privy to the secrets and
not talking about them as described in my book "TOP SECRET/MAJIC." I
update the MJ-12 story in "Flying Saucers and Science." Remember that
intelligence agencies such as the NSA, NRO, CIA, etc go on forever. Presidents
come and go.
Billy: In your book, you refer to SETI
as a cult. Can you explain that to us?
Friedman: Cults have charismatic
leadership, strong dogma, strong resistance to outside ideas, and a enlarged
notion of their own importance. They make claims rather than review evidence.
They are looking for signals produced by an advanced civilization and
constantly say there is no evidence for UFOs. They never refer to the large
scale scientific studies that I discuss in "Flying Saucers and
Science."
Maybe they should learn sign language
since they have absolutely no idea how advanced civilizations would communicate
or why they would send signals to a primitive society whose major activity is
tribal warfare. That's us.
Billy: We often hear rumors that SETI
has already received a signal from an extraterrestrial civilization. Are these
only rumors, or is this a possibility? Do you have any "insider"
information for us?
Friedman: I have seen no evidence
whatsoever that SETI groups have actually received a meaningful signal from
another civilization. Frankly, I would be surprised if they do. I expect
advanced civilizations have communication techniques way beyond what we know. I
don't use a slide rule any more. We are assuming that aliens are stuck at our
level of technology. Silly assumption.
Billy: There is a policy to be followed
by SETI should they receive a signal from an extraterrestrial source. Do you
believe that it would be followed should contact be made, or would this be kept
from the peoples of the world?
Friedman: I think the radio astronomers
would follow their procedures to avoid looking silly. Impact would be minimal.
Especially if, as they expect, it would be from hundreds of light years away.
The civilization may have already disappeared. Hard to have a meaningful
conversation.
So far as I know, no civilization on
Earth has authorized radio astronomers to speak for them. That is why we have
foreign affairs specialists. As described in the book, I think announcements
should be international, carefully done, and include conferences on the
political, religious, economic implications.
Billy: Do you believe
that events like Santilli's "alien autopsy," or the Jeff Peckman-Stan
Romanek "alien video," although causing a lot of media coverage about
UFOs, ultimately hurt the cause of Ufology?
Friedman: Hard to
judge. The Santilli stuff did cause a great deal of discussion worldwide which
is probably good... even if the story was phony. I reached that conclusion
years ago after meeting with Santilli, twice. I don't know what to make of the
Romanek-Peckman stuff. Didn't look great on Larry King.
Billy: It is common
knowledge that you are one of the foremost experts on the Roswell crash. Even
though it is still being investigated, and the subject of new books, do you
think it will be ever be solved? Or, has it already been solved?
Friedman: Although I
am the original civilian investigator of the Roswell Incident, as described in
"Crash at Corona," I have no idea if the full story will ever be
released. It is clear that alien wreckage and bodies were recovered. We may
never know what the government learned from them.
Billy: In your book,
and in your public presentations, you have often said that an alien race
"can get here from there." Do you believe that ultimately, science
will discover a way for mankind to traverse these great distances to other
galaxies?
Friedman: I try to
avoid talking about other galaxies at all. I am interested in the local
neighborhood of the Milky Way. Within 55 light years of here, there are about
2000 stars of which about 46 are very similar to the sun. The Galaxy is about
100,000 light years across and has perhaps 200 Billion stars. The next big
galaxy over, Andromeda, is over 2 Million light years away.
I can't imagine any
reason to be concerned about what is happening there. I am concerned about
intra-galactic communication and travel, but not about inter-galactic
visitations. Yes, of course, I believe trips to nearby solar systems will be
feasible if we want to spend the money. Nuclear fusion would be a good starting
process. I worked on that almost 50 years ago.
Billy: Some
Ufologists, believing that space travel is beyond our capability, subscribe to
the "alternate dimension" theory. Do you believe this idea has any
value?
Friedman: I have no
idea what people mean about such matters. Maybe we can warp space and time. We
don't need to know how they get here to establish that there are visitors. The
sun was a fusion factory for 4.5 billion years before we determined that is the
energy producing process.
It was fusioning for
a long time before we figured it out. Technological progress comes from doing
things differently in an unpredictable way. It is humbling to realize how short
our tech history has been compared to the age of the neighborhood.
Billy: Can you tell
us what you consider to be some of the best documented cases of aliens visiting
our planet?
Friedman: There are
10 outstanding cases in Paul Kimball's "Best Evidence" video
including the RB 47 case, and the Iranian jet case.
There is the
abduction of Betty and Barney Hill in New Hampshire in 1961, as described in
"Captured! The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience." There are the
41 outstanding cases described by Dr. James E. McDonald in his Congressional
Testimony of 1968.
Billy: What are your
thoughts on the O'Hare Airport sighting, and the recent sightings in Texas? Do
you believe they were adequately investigated?
Friedman: The O'Hare
case was an excellent case involving as it did testimony by a number of United
Airlines employees. There is a detailed 150 page report by Dr. Richard Haines
of NARCAP (National Aviation Reporting Center for Anomalous Phenomena) chock
full of data. There has been some concern about the adequacy of the MUFON
report on Stephenville. It seems too bad that the original reporter lost her
job. There is always room for improvement.
Billy: One last
question: What do you think it will take for us to solve the mystery of UFOs?
Friedman: A massive effort
on the part of a media group putting as much into an investigation of the
Cosmic Watergate as the Washington Post did into its investigation of the
political Watergate. I won't hold my breath. It seems clear, as reported in my
book, that aliens are visiting, that there has been a massive cover-up, and we
are dealing with the biggest story of the millennium.
Billy: Thank you
again for this opportunity. I know our readers will find your answers most
enlightening.
Visit the Stanton T. Friedman web site.
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